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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 683

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for the 7th of november 2021 richard

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saunders here with you from wet and

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raining sydney australia

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not like sunny

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lovely melbourne no they had big storms

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lately i wonder if the roses are

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blooming in melbourne

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that's so pretty down there with those

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blooming roses worth checking out

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but what's coming up on this week's show

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what's coming up on this week's episode

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we're going to kick off with an

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interesting story sort of from the past

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and the present

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about the c.i.a

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yuri gela

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and james randy

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now it appears that the cia

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really did

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look into psychic possibilities and

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psychic powers in the 1970s

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and a story has come to light which yuri

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gala is crowing about

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but what's behind it all find out at the

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top of the show when we look into this

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interesting part of history

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following that it's the book of tim with

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tim mendom as tim reads from the pages

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of the skeptic magazine

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then we have the australian skeptics

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newsletter what's making the news

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read by adrian hill

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then to round off we go once more into

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the digital archives to continue our

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series of paranormal and odd things

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and again we'll be looking at ufos ufos

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australian history or references to ufos

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now before we get stuck into this week's

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episode a big shout out and a big shout

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out and another big shout out

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with a happy heart to amanda lee in

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victoria and i tell you why i'll tell

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you why after listening to last week's

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episode where maynard and i go on a

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ghost tour with professor

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siobhan o'sullivan and if you recall she

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a test trial for her ovarian cancer and

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so amanda

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set up a donation site

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50 which would be a nice donation for

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that soared past 50 dollars it's heading

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towards 400

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skeptic zone listeners let's push that

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over five hundred dollars and keep going

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let's do that let's do that

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show our support our support for this

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vital piece of scientific research when

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it comes to ovarian cancer if you go to

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look at the show notes you'll see the

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and if every skeptic's own listener just

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two three four five ten dollars

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that money would skyrocket and what a

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great thing that would be

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so please have a look

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but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs have some nice um

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with canadian maple syrup yeah well i do

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that i hope you enjoy

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nah yuri gela there's a

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my friend rob palmer the well-known

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the daily star from the uk

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and the headline says yuri geller is no

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cats that he would have to act as a

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he served in this way many times at

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special model porsche and he waited to

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theater to note details about seeding

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geller could tell a lady that she had

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some sort of object in her purse and

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identify her by the seat number

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all of this was relayed to gala

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backstage just before the show started

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spoons

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in paris why gela was being interviewed

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by a reporter for le express cats was

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instructed to throw a spoon in the air

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to hit the ceiling

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to create the effect of a teleportation

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the reporter was impressed and wrote it

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up as a miracle

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frequently says cuts he saw geller throw

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objects from behind his back over his

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shoulder unnoticed to create the

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teleportation effect

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gel and cats visited the wife of a

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well-known entertainer in hollywood she

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offered geller a piece of heirloom

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jewelry

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a valuable fork used in the family

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ceremonies at her home

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katz reports he saw geller snap it in

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both hands while she was not looking and

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he presented it as a

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psychokinetic effect

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in london at a hotel geller was trying

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to impress a publisher who was

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attempting to pry him away from double

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day with whom he had signed for the

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publication of dr paharich's book uri

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geller arranged a subdivide with yasser

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when gela got up and left to go to his

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room and leave cats and the visitor to

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talk alone katz was to call gela in his

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room then only pretend to hang up the

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phone

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in reality he placed it on the floor so

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that the conversation would be heard by

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geller on another floor

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after cats had extracted a number of

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personal details from the visitor and

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repeated them close to the active

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telephone geller came bursting into the

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room and repeated the conversation which

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he had pretended had come to him by

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telepathy the publisher was very

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impressed

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one of geller's standard tricks

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recreating and drawing is done in

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several ways sometimes cats noted that

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geller would simply pretend to write

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down

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a guess of what the subject was thinking

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then

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when the subject made the drawing geller

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would quickly sketch an approximation

345
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surreptitiously and show it as a

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previously made impression

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yellow always showed great excitement

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and satisfaction at the results

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at other times cats actually had to help

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when gela found he could not see through

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a heavy envelope used to conceal a

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drawing

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for a tv program in san francisco geller

354
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instructed cats to secretly open the

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envelope while geller distracted the

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staff at the far side of the studio cats

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did so and told geller just before he

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went on the air

359
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in palm beach florida cats first saw

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gela sneak the lens cap off a sealed

361
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camera lens to create a psychic photo

362
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effect

363
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when gela was due to appear in

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birmingham word arrived backstage that

365
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the front row was packed with magicians

366
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geller said cats turned white and

367
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refused to go on to the stage he begged

368
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katz and vanna schmidt the impresario to

369
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tell the reporters management and the

370
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audience that there had been a bomb

371
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scare

372
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katz was appalled a little later to

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learn that he

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was being blamed for the cancellation

375
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and that geller was saying that he

376
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wanted to perform but cats would not

377
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allow it the show was cancelled

378
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while they were in italy

379
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cats had a bad scare

380
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together he and gela visited a jewelry

381
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shop to price expensive watches they

382
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left without buying moments after they

383
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rounded the corner geller exclaimed that

384
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a quote teleportation

385
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and quote had taken place a new

386
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wristwatch was on his arm

387
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said katz

388
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i knew he had stolen it

389
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although he now says he was brainwashed

390
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it is curious how simple the tricks were

391
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that geller used to convince cats

392
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two remained complete mysteries until i

393
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interviewed him for r a itv

394
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one involved the teleportation of a

395
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heavy potted plant holder that he

396
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claimed had been found outside the

397
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apartment he shared with gela when cats

398
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returned from buying a newspaper he said

399
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that it would have been impossible for

400
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geller to have lifted this since it took

401
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the two of them to replace it inside the

402
00:16:55,670 --> 00:16:53,120
apartment again the same planter was

403
00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:55,680
there in his apartment with him in tel

404
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aviv

405
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and

406
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against his protestations i easily

407
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lifted out a couple of plants moved the

408
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plant to several feet and put the extra

409
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pots back

410
00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:07,760
he dropped his claims on the matter at

411
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that point he went on to describe an

412
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event which he had forgotten having told

413
00:17:17,590 --> 00:17:14,640
me about several years before in new

414
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york and i was astonished to hear how

415
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much the story had gained in that time

416
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:22,799
it involved a theater chair armrest that

417
00:17:28,950 --> 00:17:24,720
he claimed had been

418
00:17:31,830 --> 00:17:28,960
levitated to allow to fall in a puddle

419
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he had the arm rest with him there and

420
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asserted that after he'd lifted it from

421
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the puddle it had been bone dry

422
00:17:43,990 --> 00:17:41,039
i poured a glass of water over it right

423
00:17:47,909 --> 00:17:44,000
before him and showed him that the vinyl

424
00:17:51,110 --> 00:17:47,919
plastic armrest was just as dry then

425
00:17:52,549 --> 00:17:51,120
as it had been when the geller miracle

426
00:17:54,789 --> 00:17:52,559
took place

427
00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:54,799
after the gela myth finally

428
00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:56,320
disintegrates

429
00:18:00,710 --> 00:17:58,320
gela and strang were last reported

430
00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:00,720
living in mexico and the geller

431
00:18:04,390 --> 00:18:03,600
believers no doubt they too have moved

432
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on

433
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to other

434
00:18:18,630 --> 00:18:15,669
and again that is from the new scientist

435
00:18:21,590 --> 00:18:18,640
magazine dated the 6th of april 1978

436
00:18:23,110 --> 00:18:21,600
written by james randy and i have before

437
00:18:25,350 --> 00:18:23,120
me here

438
00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:25,360
the book the truth about yuri gellar by

439
00:18:28,870 --> 00:18:26,880
james randy

440
00:18:30,950 --> 00:18:28,880
and

441
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autographed

442
00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:33,360
to richard from randy that's very nice

443
00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:35,679
and if you haven't read that book it's a

444
00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:37,200
terrific read it really is an

445
00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:40,160
interesting read into the whole geller

446
00:18:46,390 --> 00:18:44,240
phenomenon all those years ago

447
00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:46,400
so in 1978

448
00:18:49,990 --> 00:18:48,160
james randy was of the opinion that

449
00:18:53,029 --> 00:18:50,000
geller's days had gone

450
00:18:54,870 --> 00:18:53,039
but now every every few years well maybe

451
00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:54,880
every year i don't know gala pops up in

452
00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:56,880
the press somewhere along the way he

453
00:19:00,630 --> 00:18:58,640
does love the publicity and he'll claim

454
00:19:02,789 --> 00:19:00,640
responsibility for all sorts of things i

455
00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:02,799
think he even claimed responsibility for

456
00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:04,000
helping move

457
00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:06,480
the olympic torch when it got stuck

458
00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:08,559
slightly at the opening of the games

459
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:11,440
here in sydney in the year 2000

460
00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:13,760
and did i do i remember that he claimed

461
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:16,000
responsibility for helping free that

462
00:19:19,820 --> 00:19:18,000
ship that was stuck in the sewers canal

463
00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:19,830
earlier this year

464
00:19:23,350 --> 00:19:21,280
[Music]

465
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:23,360
and once again i will link to the

466
00:19:27,570 --> 00:19:24,880
relevant

467
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:27,580
pages in this week's show notes

468
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:44,789
for years and years a skeptical fairy

469
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:47,200
godmother angel from the internet kept a

470
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:49,200
watchful eye on the world

471
00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:51,120
ready to appear out of thin air in a

472
00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:54,160
puff of smoke to offer advice and save

473
00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:56,320
people from committing logical fallacies

474
00:20:00,230 --> 00:19:58,480
and buying well frankly substandard

475
00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:00,240
maple syrup

476
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:02,960
but in 2021 she's decided to take some

477
00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:05,120
time off to watch the australian and new

478
00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:07,600
zealand skeptics convention in november

479
00:20:15,029 --> 00:20:10,640
hmm fancy her task now is to find a fill

480
00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:16,870
let us take you now to that magical

481
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:19,600
realm of dreams that lies beyond time

482
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:22,159
and space the home office

483
00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:24,010
of the skeptical fairy

484
00:20:32,789 --> 00:20:28,070
[Music]

485
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:32,799
[Laughter]

486
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:38,310
from the internet

487
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:41,360
thank you all for applying for the job

488
00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:44,799
one of you will replace me but i need to

489
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:48,559
be sure to pick the right candidate yes

490
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:51,039
okay sounds good okay sounds okay good

491
00:20:54,780 --> 00:20:52,320
yes

492
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:54,790
but how did we get here

493
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:57,200
[Music]

494
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:59,039
it's magic

495
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:00,480
all right then

496
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:02,480
candidate number one

497
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:04,480
oh that's me

498
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:07,200
it says here on your application that

499
00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:09,919
you have studied logical fallacies by

500
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:13,520
listening to the skeptic zone podcast oh

501
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:15,520
yes skeptical fairy godmother angel from

502
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:18,960
the internet i never miss a show in fact

503
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:21,360
if i get the job i will fly to the

504
00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:23,440
producer and tell him about a new

505
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:25,120
logical fallacy

506
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,080
oh really which one is that

507
00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:30,480
the logical fallacy of the

508
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:34,400
sticky situation the sticky situation

509
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:37,039
does this have anything to do with maple

510
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:38,159
syrup

511
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:42,080
yes how did you know just a wild guess

512
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:45,039
okay then um

513
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:47,600
candidate number two

514
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:50,159
what makes you think you are qualified

515
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:52,000
to fill in for me

516
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:53,919
well skeptical fairy godmother angel

517
00:21:59,110 --> 00:21:55,840
from the internet i'm working on your

518
00:22:01,510 --> 00:21:59,120
wikipedia page and i needed extra inside

519
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,520
information and what better way than to

520
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:03,520
borrow your wings

521
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:05,520
but you know you'd have to give them

522
00:22:10,830 --> 00:22:08,320
back right hmm

523
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,840
yes

524
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:12,480
right

525
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:13,520
so

526
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:15,840
now candidate number three

527
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,960
yeah um sorry what was that narrator

528
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:20,559
saying about the australian and new

529
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:23,760
zealand skeptics convention oh i want to

530
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:26,880
watch it live so that's why i need to

531
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:27,840
fill in

532
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:29,679
really i thought i was applying to be

533
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:31,280
the tooth fairy

534
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:33,120
what's so special about this convention

535
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:43,669
my nod

536
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:47,909
how did i get here um magic maynard can

537
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,720
you tell callie about the convention

538
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:52,799
for the first time ever australian and

539
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:54,720
new zealand skeptics are combining their

540
00:23:01,590 --> 00:22:58,320
resources to bring new skepticon 2021

541
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:01,600
the all online skeptical convention i'm

542
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:03,679
skeptical right now special guests

543
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:06,000
include professor richard wiseman new

544
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:08,880
zealander of the year dr susie wiles

545
00:23:14,549 --> 00:23:11,919
youtube sensation professor dave that's

546
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:14,559
right professor dave he'll buy you a

547
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:15,440
drink

548
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:18,000
also dr sat douchey

549
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:20,720
dr ken harvey some bloke called richard

550
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:22,640
saunders i hear he's not that good you

551
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:26,000
can always sit in the back and many more

552
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:27,679
no matter where you are in the world

553
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,320
join us on the 20th and 21st of november

554
00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:32,159
so get your tickets now at the low low

555
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:34,840
low price of forty dollars at

556
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,480
skepticon.org dot ay u ay you

557
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:40,400
from a u

558
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:41,679
wow

559
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,559
sounds good can i go now

560
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:46,799
in that case skeptical fairy godmother

561
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,880
angel from the internet

562
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:51,039
i might change my minds i think i'll

563
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:52,799
sign up for the convention

564
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:53,840
yeah

565
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:56,720
you know i think i will too

566
00:23:59,670 --> 00:23:58,400
well don't look at me i don't want to

567
00:24:02,230 --> 00:23:59,680
miss the convention

568
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:02,240
[Music]

569
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:03,520
all right

570
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:04,640
well

571
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thanks for coming

572
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:07,440
then

573
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um

574
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:10,559
maynard

575
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:12,880
are you interested in becoming a

576
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:15,840
skeptical fairy godmother angel from the

577
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,720
internet for a few days oh yeah baby you

578
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:20,320
should see how much maple syrup i've got

579
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:22,960
at home i've dreamt of this day yeah

580
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:26,480
maple syrup hallelujah hallelujah maple

581
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:29,279
syrup will i get to meet maple i love

582
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:30,960
canada i can remember when they won the

583
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[Music]

584
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:48,159
and now

585
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a reading from the book of tim

586
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[Music]

587
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:55,820
with tim menden

588
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:03,269
hi my name is tim menden and i'm the

589
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:05,200
editor of australian skeptics journal

590
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:06,640
the skeptic

591
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:08,320
and i'm also executive officer of

592
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:10,000
australian skeptics

593
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:12,159
and today i'll be reading an article

594
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:13,679
from a regular feature of the skeptic

595
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:15,490
magazine called what goes around

596
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:16,640
[Music]

597
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:19,279
and this is from the skeptic from march

598
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:20,720
2020

599
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or volume 40 number one what goes around

600
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:26,320
is based on the concept that you can

601
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:29,200
start off with one particular subject or

602
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:30,720
fact and work your way through

603
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:32,559
associations all the way around to come

604
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:35,039
back where you started from

605
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:36,240
and this

606
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issue of the magazine looked at

607
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,320
resistantialism

608
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:43,039
it's in resistance angel

609
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ism

610
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:46,799
which is a jocular theory to describe

611
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:49,760
seemingly spiteful behavior manifested

612
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:51,760
by inanimate objects

613
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:54,240
where objects that cause problems like

614
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:57,440
lost keys or a runaway bouncy ball

615
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:59,039
are said to exhibit a high degree of

616
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:01,360
malice towards human

617
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:03,279
the theory deposits a war being fought

618
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between humans and inanimate objects

619
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:07,679
and all the little annoyances that

620
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:09,760
objects cause throughout the day are

621
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:11,919
battles between the two

622
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,480
humorist paul jennings coined the term

623
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,720
in a piece titled report on

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00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:18,720
resistantialism published in the

625
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spectator in 1948

626
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:23,600
the movement is a spoof of

627
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:25,200
existentialism

628
00:26:30,029 --> 00:26:27,919
in general and author jean-paul sartre

629
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in particular the slogan of

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00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:33,840
resistantialism is le chose son contra

631
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,799
new

632
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:36,960
things are against us

633
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:39,120
now like murphy's law finagle's law and

634
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:41,679
sod's law the perceived perversity of

635
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the universe has long been a subject of

636
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,640
comment and the concept may be as old as

637
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humanity

638
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:51,279
in the 1920s theodore m bernstein

639
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formulated bernstein's first law which

640
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,400
is that small dropped objects such as

641
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:58,480
cufflinks will be found only in the

642
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,279
place most inaccessible to retrieval

643
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:03,440
the concept appears in the discworld

644
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:06,159
novels of english author terry pratchett

645
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:08,960
where it is referred to as malignity or

646
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,039
malignant

647
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:13,600
one practical example the author gives

648
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,760
is the tendency of garden hoses no

649
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:17,360
matter how carefully one coils and

650
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:19,360
stores them to unloop themselves

651
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:20,799
overnight

652
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,840
and tie a bicycle to a lawnmower

653
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:26,080
it's associated with practice orders of

654
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:29,200
reality and possibly also with anoya

655
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:31,200
whom he describes as a goddess of things

656
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:34,159
that stick in draws

657
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:37,760
so terence david john pratchett 1948 to

658
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:40,720
2015 was an english humorist satirist

659
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:43,279
and author of fantasy novels especially

660
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:44,559
comical works

661
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:46,480
the first disc world novel the color of

662
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:49,679
magic was published in 1983

663
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:51,279
after which pratchett wrote an average

664
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of two books a year

665
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:56,559
his 2011 discworld novel

666
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,039
snuff became the third fastest selling

667
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,200
hardback adult readership novel since

668
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records began in the uk

669
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:05,440
selling 55 000 copies in the first three

670
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days

671
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:08,960
with more than 85 million books sold

672
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:12,080
worldwide in 37 languages he was the

673
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:16,080
uk's best-selling author of the 1990s

674
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,840
that's the same time as jk rowling was

675
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:19,760
writing harry potter

676
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:22,240
in 2007 pratchett announced that he had

677
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:24,159
been diagnosed with early onset

678
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:25,840
alzheimer's disease

679
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:28,880
and filmed a bbc tv program chronicling

680
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:31,200
his experience with the condition

681
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,399
he died in march 2015 age 66.

682
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,000
before his writing career took off

683
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:40,159
pratchett had various positions in

684
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:42,640
journalism he was an avid user of

685
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,279
personal computers from the 1980s and an

686
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:47,520
early user of the internet

687
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:49,760
in the mid 1990s pratchett raised

688
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:52,720
concerns about the potential for harm

689
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:55,440
from fake news online

690
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:58,320
in 1980 he left journalism and became

691
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,799
press officer for the uk central

692
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:02,880
electricity generating board

693
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:04,559
cegb

694
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,559
in an area that covered four nuclear

695
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,399
power stations

696
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,320
he later joked that he had demonstrated

697
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:13,200
impeccable timing by making this career

698
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:15,760
change so soon after the three mile

699
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:18,559
island nuclear accident in pennsylvania

700
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:19,679
us

701
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:21,200
and said he would write a book about my

702
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:23,039
experiences if i thought anyone would

703
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:24,480
believe it

704
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:26,320
the three-mile island accident was a

705
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,200
partial meltdown of reactor number two

706
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:31,360
of three mile island nuclear generating

707
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:33,760
station near harrisburg pennsylvania and

708
00:29:37,310 --> 00:29:35,360
the subsequent radiation leak that

709
00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:37,320
occurred on march 28

710
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:38,960
1979.

711
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:40,960
it was the most significant accident in

712
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:43,200
u.s commercial nuclear power plant

713
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,640
history

714
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:47,039
on the seven-point international nuclear

715
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,480
event scale

716
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:50,960
the accident was rated a five as an

717
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:54,399
accident with wider consequences the

718
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:56,480
accident crystallized anti-nuclear

719
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,640
safety concerns resulting in new

720
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:01,039
regulations for the nuclear industry and

721
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:03,279
probably contributed to the decline of

722
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:06,559
new nuclear reactor construction

723
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:10,240
a cleanup started in august 1979

724
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:13,840
and officially ended in december 1993

725
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:16,480
with a total cost of about 1 billion

726
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,000
dollars

727
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:20,320
12 days before the 3 mile island

728
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:23,760
accident the movie the china syndrome

729
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:25,600
which featured an accident at a nuclear

730
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:28,480
power plant premiered it was initially

731
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:30,559
met with backlash from the nuclear power

732
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,600
industry claiming it to be sheer fiction

733
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:35,600
and a character assassination of an

734
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:38,320
entire industry

735
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:40,159
this was just 12 days before the actual

736
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,840
accident happened in the film the

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00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:43,600
plant's operating crew noticed a high

738
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:45,679
pressure measurement on a gauge

739
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:48,080
and began to reduce coolant flow to

740
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:49,760
lower the pressure

741
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:51,760
this does not appear to work and they

742
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:53,919
continue reducing the flow until an

743
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,480
emergency indicator lamp warns of

744
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:58,799
extremely low pressure

745
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:01,279
confused by the conflicting indications

746
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:04,399
an operator taps the gauge at which

747
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:06,720
point the needle becomes unstuck and

748
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:09,200
swings over to indicate extremely low

749
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:10,559
pressure

750
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:13,360
this could be seen as a serious and less

751
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:16,159
light-hearted instance of malignancy or

752
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,159
resistantialism

753
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:21,200
which brings us back to where we started

754
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:28,870
and that's what goes around from march

755
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:33,200
2020 in the sceptic magazine volume 40

756
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:35,919
number one you can download this issue

757
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,120
of the magazine

758
00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:39,360
and most issues of the sceptic magazine

759
00:31:44,830 --> 00:31:41,880
from our website

760
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:44,840
skeptics.com.iu and it won't cost you a

761
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,279
penny and while you're there why not

762
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:49,679
subscribe to the skeptic magazine

763
00:31:52,790 --> 00:31:51,360
it's well worth reading and will make me

764
00:32:11,350 --> 00:31:52,800
very happy

765
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:13,350
g'day this is dr karl karl kruschki

766
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,720
proud to be a skeptic and you can find

767
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:17,120
out more about me at drcarl.com and get

768
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:34,389
[Music]

769
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:47,039
hello again this is adrian hill from

770
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:49,360
canada here to read the australian

771
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:52,320
skeptics newsletter i'm back from my

772
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:55,919
maple syrup and waffle tour of canada

773
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:57,279
and the us

774
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,440
and i want to say a huge thank you to

775
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:01,919
michelle bickersma who did an amazing

776
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,159
job filling in for me the other week i

777
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:06,559
love her voice

778
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,600
now

779
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:10,080
let's see what tim endum has in store

780
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:11,760
for us today

781
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,190
hi all it says

782
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:21,120
some recent sad news was the death of

783
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:23,120
martin hadley former president and

784
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:25,840
treasurer of australian skeptics inc

785
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:27,519
martin was a prominent figure in the

786
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:29,919
skeptical community not least as many

787
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:32,320
condolences pointed out for his helpful

788
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:36,720
advice on legal issues he'll be missed

789
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,440
meanwhile we've just passed halloween so

790
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:41,840
there are lots of seasonally appropriate

791
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:44,480
ghost stories around some serious and of

792
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:46,880
course some silly and while that

793
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:48,960
particular festivity may have passed

794
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:50,480
we're getting that much closer to

795
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:53,440
skepticon 2021 it's just three weeks

796
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,519
away so if you haven't booked your

797
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:57,600
ticket yet you should do so straight

798
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:58,960
away

799
00:34:01,430 --> 00:34:00,320
read on

800
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:01,440
tim

801
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:05,120
skepticon 2021 an online event

802
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:06,640
tickets are available for this year's

803
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,040
skepticon the joint australian and new

804
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,280
zealand skeptic's annual convention to

805
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:13,919
run on november 20th to 21st

806
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:16,800
this will be an online only event thanks

807
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,839
covid

808
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:19,679
tickets are now available from the

809
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:28,230
the bent spoon nominees announced

810
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:30,879
mp craig kelly and former mp clive

811
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:33,040
palmer are leading contenders for the

812
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:35,599
2021 bent spoon

813
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:38,240
others include abc tv for its coverage

814
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:41,760
of biodynamic agriculture and an overly

815
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:45,520
active naturopath in queensland

816
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,399
halloween ghosts number one

817
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:51,119
ghost hunters who use science it's an

818
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:53,679
article on kenny biddle a noted u.s

819
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:57,040
skeptic and ghost hunter or mora hunter

820
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,920
of ghost hunters and remember that all

821
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:01,440
the items mentioned here come with a

822
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:02,720
link when you subscribe to the

823
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:04,480
newsletter

824
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,680
halloween ghost number two the science

825
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:09,680
behind ghost hunting

826
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:12,079
the more science the fewer ghosts except

827
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:15,280
that in ghost hunting a sad irony is how

828
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:17,040
science is providing tools for people

829
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:20,079
who knowingly or otherwise are using

830
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:24,079
them in unscientific ways

831
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:27,200
vaccine skeptics on colin powell's death

832
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:30,000
quote in a political moment where every

833
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:31,839
public health strategy to mitigate the

834
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,160
virus has been politicized public health

835
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:36,640
experts said they expect powell's death

836
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:39,280
to be misconstrued to feed a narrative

837
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:42,079
that the vaccinations do not work end

838
00:35:46,140 --> 00:35:45,040
quote and that's unfortunately exactly

839
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:46,150
what's happened

840
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:47,440
[Music]

841
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,280
u.s deaths tied to aromatherapy spray

842
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:53,520
u.s federal authorities have warned that

843
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,599
a rare bacterial infection that killed

844
00:36:02,710 --> 00:35:57,760
two people has been tied to an

845
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:05,430
why neil degrasse tyson thinks science

846
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,640
is true

847
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:08,480
political views are constantly getting

848
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,640
mixed up with scientific opinions and

849
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:12,480
there is so much pseudoscience that ends

850
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:14,400
up looking like the real thing an

851
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,680
interview on astronomy ufos science and

852
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:19,440
truth

853
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:23,839
who's winning the ufo credibility wars

854
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:25,760
author says he's been watching the

855
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:27,920
arguments and non-arguments about ufos

856
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:30,720
for decades quote what's changed and

857
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:33,280
changed enormously is the move to a much

858
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,079
less maniacal culture the hysteria isn't

859
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:38,880
there anymore the us or them thing has

860
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:41,839
been weeded out at long last end quote

861
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:44,160
not sure exactly where the author stands

862
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:47,680
on ufos but he suggests the bad old good

863
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:50,400
old days of movie-like overwrought

864
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:53,280
evidence are gone

865
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:56,560
halloween ghosts number three

866
00:37:01,990 --> 00:36:58,880
fifty percent have felt the presence of

867
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:02,000
a ghost according to a survey by a wine

868
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:04,960
company the appropriately named phantom

869
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:08,000
wines which i think i need to check out

870
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,790
plus a lot of other stats and some

871
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:16,720
interesting facts about what drinks go

872
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:18,800
best with halloween treats so if you

873
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:20,720
think there's an ulterior motive in the

874
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:21,680
survey

875
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:24,079
you'd be right

876
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,040
halloween ghosts number four house isn't

877
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:29,520
selling blame the ghosts

878
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:31,760
decent article about the implications

879
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:34,400
marketability legal responsibility and

880
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:38,160
otherwise of selling a haunted home

881
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:40,720
halloween ghosts number five

882
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:43,599
world's oldest ghost drawing sounds so

883
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:44,720
interesting

884
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:48,000
a babylonian tablet from 1500 bce

885
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:50,000
inscribed with instructions on how to

886
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,240
perform an exorcism is fodder for an

887
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:54,400
investigation into ancient paranormal

888
00:38:02,470 --> 00:37:56,560
beliefs by a curator at the british

889
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,190
to subscribe to the skeptic the magazine

890
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,680
from australian skeptics go to our shop

891
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:09,839
to sign up for a hard copy or digital

892
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,800
edition or both since the digital is

893
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,640
offered free to those who take up the

894
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:16,320
hard copy version

895
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:18,160
learn more about our magazine and

896
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:23,910
silliest story of the week and i do like

897
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:26,160
myself a silly story and this one's

898
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:27,839
pretty crazy

899
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:31,440
psychic analyzes biscuit crumbs

900
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:33,040
[Music]

901
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:35,040
reading tea leaves is one thing but

902
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:38,079
bicky crumbs the uk digestives company

903
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:41,119
mcvities cottons on to a marketing ploy

904
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,359
read your future by the bits that

905
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:45,119
dropped onto your plate

906
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:48,000
the company enlisted a quote psychic to

907
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:50,960
the stars end quote to offer guidance in

908
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,880
the science of chromology i think i kind

909
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,119
of wish i'd taken that university some

910
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:59,280
of the shapes analyzed seem a bit

911
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,119
far-fetched

912
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,839
no kidding the one showing birds seems

913
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:05,920
to look more like a map of australia but

914
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,560
hey if you can see a virgin in the stars

915
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,800
then you can find anything

916
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:12,960
in the crumbs

917
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:15,040
that's all for this newsletter this is

918
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:16,400
adrian hill

919
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:18,720
running upstairs to the kitchen to cook

920
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:21,760
up more waffles and maybe try to read

921
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:24,240
the future from the crumbs

922
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:27,290
bye for now

923
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:36,240
[Music]

924
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:38,000
be reasonable is the interview show from

925
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:40,240
the merseyside skeptic society where

926
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,599
each month i speak to someone about

927
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:43,680
their fringe beliefs over the years i've

928
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:46,160
spoken to psychics ufo believers moon

929
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,240
landing and eyes flat earthers hollow

930
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:49,920
earthers and all manner of unusual

931
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:51,920
conspiracy theorists but i've also

932
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:53,599
talked to aids denialists white

933
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:56,240
supremacists gay conversion therapists i

934
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:57,839
even interviewed jim humble the inventor

935
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:59,920
of miracle mineral supplement a form of

936
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,200
industrial beliefs that he and his

937
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:03,839
followers used to treat cancer and hiv

938
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:05,920
this isn't a debate sure my aim isn't to

939
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,000
win an argument but when we listen to

940
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:10,400
how people promote and justify the ideas

941
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,480
that we disagree with even the dangerous

942
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:14,240
ones i think we become much more

943
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:16,480
effective at countering those ideas if

944
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:17,599
that sounds like something you'd be

945
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:19,680
interested in look for be reasonable on

946
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:21,599
apple podcasts and everywhere else the

947
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:41,670
[Music]

948
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:43,760
now it's time once again to dive into

949
00:40:48,349 --> 00:40:45,520
those digital

950
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:48,359
delights at trove

951
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:50,319
trove.nla.gov.iu the online resource

952
00:40:53,790 --> 00:40:51,599
from the australian government in the

953
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:53,800
national library of australia of

954
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:56,319
digitised newspapers gazettes

955
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:58,240
periodicals and so on

956
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:01,200
dating back centuries

957
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,200
and what a valuable resource it is just

958
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:05,040
go there type in your

959
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,560
search criteria

960
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:09,119
and you'll never know what you'll find

961
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,000
now a couple of weeks ago we did a

962
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:14,400
session on ufos which proved quite

963
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:17,200
popular so i'll continue that this week

964
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:18,720
and i think this is probably about the

965
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:20,640
third time we've looked into

966
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:22,160
ufos

967
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:29,510
[Music]

968
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:31,920
and modern skepticism owes a little bit

969
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:35,040
to ufos i must say it's one of the

970
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,760
reasons i got into that the whole area

971
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:39,359
was my interest when i was younger in

972
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:41,760
ufos which i thought were

973
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:44,720
obviously real and would be proved real

974
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:47,680
any day now in the 1970s

975
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:49,920
so we start our

976
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:53,280
look into the archives in fact

977
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,359
from the 6th of january 1989

978
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,760
from the canberra times

979
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:01,440
the lucky country

980
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:02,480
not so

981
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:10,550
adelaide a group of adelaide researchers

982
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:12,880
wants to hear from anyone

983
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:15,599
who has been abducted by aliens from

984
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,040
another planet

985
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:19,440
puzzled as to why fewer australians are

986
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,000
kidnapped by extraterrestrials than

987
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:24,960
people in the united states and europe

988
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:28,319
ufo research australia is trying to find

989
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,800
out why australia is lagging behind the

990
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,400
rest of the world

991
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:34,560
it might sound crazy but the group's

992
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:37,680
quest is quite serious ufo and chief

993
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:40,880
researcher keith basterfield said

994
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,280
ufo research australia is a private

995
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:45,359
group which neither believes

996
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,079
nor disbelieves the theory that aliens

997
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:50,800
from space are responsible for the ufo

998
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:52,240
phenomenon

999
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,520
mr basterfield said a number of books

1000
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,440
had been published in the us and britain

1001
00:43:02,390 --> 00:42:59,760
documenting accounts of people who have

1002
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:02,400
claimed to have been abducted by

1003
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:05,680
extraterrestrials but few such stories

1004
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:08,240
have come from australia even though ufo

1005
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:09,839
sightings here were

1006
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:11,440
not uncommon

1007
00:43:16,670 --> 00:43:14,319
among cases recorded are that of a

1008
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:16,680
melbourne woman who claimed in

1009
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:19,440
1966 she was raped by an

1010
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,040
extraterrestrial

1011
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:23,040
and the disappearance of a 20 year old

1012
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:25,920
pilot and his cessna aircraft over bass

1013
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:28,560
strait in 1978.

1014
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:30,880
the postal address for the ufo research

1015
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:34,319
australia is po box 229 prospect south

1016
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:37,680
australia 508

1017
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:39,440
2.

1018
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,599
and that report of the

1019
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:43,520
the pilot the 20 year old pilot and his

1020
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,920
cessna over bastrate that's the case of

1021
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:47,280
frederick

1022
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:48,880
valentich

1023
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:51,359
and that has been covered

1024
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:52,880
quite widely

1025
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:54,880
and there's a good account of that over

1026
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,680
at skeptoid with brian dunning i know

1027
00:44:01,829 --> 00:44:00,000
brian regularly listens to the skeptic

1028
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:01,839
zone here's the next one

1029
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:04,319
and it comes to us from

1030
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:07,040
papua new guinea post courier

1031
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:11,200
dated the 8th of february 1978

1032
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:12,160
so

1033
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:16,880
late 70s still well in the ufo era

1034
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:20,400
destroyed town gets ufo award

1035
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,319
illinois united states tuesday

1036
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:24,480
australian associated press

1037
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,800
nobody could remember just when the

1038
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:28,560
alien creatures in

1039
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:32,560
10 or 20 flying sources reportedly

1040
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,599
strafed the town of chester and left it

1041
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:37,440
in a pile of rubble

1042
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:41,760
but just the same townsfolk accept an

1043
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:45,920
award from quote official ufo and quote

1044
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:48,560
the magazine that swears it really

1045
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:49,440
happened

1046
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:52,079
the associated press reported

1047
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:55,119
about 75 of chester's

1048
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:56,160
5

1049
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:57,200
300

1050
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:00,480
citizens turned out on saturday at city

1051
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:02,720
hall to receive the magazine's quote

1052
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:04,960
letter of appreciation end quote for

1053
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:07,280
their cooperation in the investigation

1054
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:08,480
of the

1055
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,839
villagers

1056
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:11,119
destruction

1057
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:12,400
last year

1058
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:15,839
official ufo had promised quote an

1059
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,640
immense crowd numbering twenty thousand

1060
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:20,480
to thirty thousand people in quote to

1061
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:21,440
greet

1062
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:25,040
famed war hero ed farrar and his team of

1063
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:28,800
ufo investigators mr farah said he was a

1064
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,319
world war ii

1065
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:33,040
flying ace in europe and now a tennis

1066
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:35,200
professional in new york after his

1067
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:37,520
speech mr farah collapsed

1068
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:40,880
having succumbed he said to forces from

1069
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:44,400
outer space i have an idea they the

1070
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:47,040
forces didn't want any more said he

1071
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:48,640
commented

1072
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:52,079
police chief harold howie was on hand to

1073
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:53,920
receive a sealed envelope that the

1074
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,240
magazine based in new york said

1075
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:58,800
contained the names of 50 people who

1076
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:01,839
witnessed the reported attack on august

1077
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:02,560
2

1078
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:05,839
1977. mayor stanley makisky did not

1079
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:08,800
attend but was said to have grave doubts

1080
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:10,960
about the reported incident

1081
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:13,440
on that day in august the magazine said

1082
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:15,280
in its january issue

1083
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:18,079
sources swooped down on the town on the

1084
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:20,720
banks of the mississippi river and

1085
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:23,119
burned it to the ground

1086
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:25,599
disrupting normal communications and

1087
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:27,680
causing mass panic

1088
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:30,800
however a statue of popeye the sailor

1089
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:33,680
man erected in honour of elsie zeiger

1090
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:35,839
the cartoon strips creator and native

1091
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:38,319
son of chester either

1092
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:41,760
escaped the destruction or was rebuilt

1093
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:42,960
in a park

1094
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,000
the key ingredient in the official ufo's

1095
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:48,400
case was a series of pictures in the

1096
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:51,440
magazine purporting to show the saucer

1097
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:52,400
attack

1098
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:54,839
those said to show evidence of the

1099
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:57,440
extraterrestrial phenomena

1100
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:59,040
were blurred

1101
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:01,200
no one thumbing through the magazine

1102
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:03,839
distributed free to townspeople

1103
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:06,480
could recall the incident

1104
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:10,400
but said quote official ufo end quote

1105
00:47:14,670 --> 00:47:12,880
that was because after the disaster

1106
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:14,680
chester was quote

1107
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:18,160
mysteriously frightenly somehow

1108
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:20,800
resurrected and the memory of the event

1109
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,319
erased from all but a select group of

1110
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:26,960
minds men quote

1111
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:30,559
sounds like a fun day in chester

1112
00:47:34,589 --> 00:47:32,319
and now we come to the canberra times

1113
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:34,599
dated monday the 10th of november

1114
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:40,160
1969 a bit earlier on in the ufo story

1115
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:41,680
ufo

1116
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:43,200
was a balloon

1117
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:46,160
melbourne sunday a practical joker

1118
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:47,920
alarmed hundreds of residents in

1119
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:49,520
melbourne suburbs

1120
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,640
on saturday night with a fake ufo

1121
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:54,480
callers jammed the switchboards of

1122
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:56,640
newspapers and tv stations to report a

1123
00:48:02,069 --> 00:47:58,960
strange object and lights in the sky

1124
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:02,079
during the hour in which it remained

1125
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:04,720
stationary over the northern suburb of

1126
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,079
preston air traffic control offices

1127
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:11,040
at esserton airport were unable to offer

1128
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:13,359
any help except to say it was not an

1129
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:16,319
aircraft or helicopter however police

1130
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:18,319
solved the problem when they went to the

1131
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,280
area in answer to numerous calls their

1132
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:23,920
powerful spotlight revealed

1133
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:26,720
a balloon moored about 60 feet in the

1134
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:29,200
air it was about four feet long with a

1135
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:31,760
silver tail and four red lights

1136
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:33,760
suspended beneath it

1137
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:36,079
but the practical joker wound the

1138
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,520
balloon in

1139
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:39,359
he was too quick for the police trying

1140
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:41,520
to follow the balloon's descent and a

1141
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:43,119
later search of the area revealed

1142
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:45,839
neither the balloon nor its owner you

1143
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:48,400
couldn't tell what it was until we put

1144
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:51,200
the spotlight on it a policeman said

1145
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:53,599
all you could see were four red lights

1146
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:55,359
and a vague shape

1147
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:57,119
sounds like a lot of fun in melbourne

1148
00:49:04,230 --> 00:48:59,200
now we turn to the canberra times once

1149
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:04,240
again on the 1st of december 1980

1150
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,640
some ufo photographers

1151
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:08,400
peculiar

1152
00:49:16,349 --> 00:49:13,760
people mr frank gillespie one of the

1153
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:16,359
delegates at the ufo conference at the

1154
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:19,920
belconnenway hotel said yesterday many

1155
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:21,920
people collected photographs and when

1156
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,720
they found abnormalities in prince

1157
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:27,440
concocted a story to go with them many a

1158
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,000
good story has been built around the

1159
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:32,800
white spots on a print caused by dust

1160
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,839
and fibers on the negative he said

1161
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:37,680
then there are those people who

1162
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,720
deliberately set out to deceive there

1163
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,319
are usually glaring flaws in their

1164
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,640
pictures and it must take a lot of nerve

1165
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:46,720
to proceed with their attempted

1166
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:47,920
deception

1167
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:50,160
some of the methods used to fake

1168
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:53,119
photographs include saucepan lids time

1169
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:55,839
exposure of lights with a moving camera

1170
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,400
and car hubcaps

1171
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,559
one case which stood out from the others

1172
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:02,559
was a man who attempted to photograph a

1173
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:05,839
fast-moving object with an instamatic

1174
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:08,160
camera when there was no trace of the

1175
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,040
object in the print he pointed to

1176
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:13,520
a printing defect in the previous

1177
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,000
picture as is ufo

1178
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,240
the conference was also told yesterday

1179
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:20,160
of the results of a survey of

1180
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:23,680
psychological reactions to ufo events by

1181
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:27,280
mr mark moravac the most common reaction

1182
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:28,720
was fear

1183
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:31,760
followed by curiosity and amazement

1184
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:34,720
in a number of cases there were also

1185
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:37,280
physiological reactions

1186
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:39,760
and the most common were insomnia

1187
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:42,319
sensitive eyes and headaches

1188
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:44,880
in his conclusion he said the fact that

1189
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:47,040
many people feared something which

1190
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:49,760
officially did not exist was a powerful

1191
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:53,359
reason for an urgent and serious study

1192
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:54,559
of ufo

1193
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:55,839
phenomena

1194
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,760
and lastly we come

1195
00:51:02,069 --> 00:50:59,760
once again from the canberra times it

1196
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:02,079
gets a lot of mentions in the canberra

1197
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:04,000
times i think that uh

1198
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:05,520
many of their issues if not all are

1199
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,559
digitized from the 26th of february 1968

1200
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:13,119
back in time a little bit

1201
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:16,480
farmer tells of trip in martian craft

1202
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:18,000
ufo

1203
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:21,040
loco texas sunday australian associated

1204
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:24,559
press this tiny west texas farming

1205
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:27,119
community bears a name which may not

1206
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:29,920
help close the flying saucer credibility

1207
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:33,040
gap nevertheless mr carroll watts a

1208
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:36,160
sober-minded 29 year old farmer known to

1209
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:39,119
his neighbours as a man quote

1210
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:41,920
of reliable character end quote was

1211
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:44,240
yesterday seeking a congressional

1212
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:47,040
investigation into his report that he

1213
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:50,160
saw a spacecraft from mars

1214
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:52,480
several times last year photographed it

1215
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:57,760
and rode inside it for two hours

1216
00:52:02,549 --> 00:52:00,319
mr watts said the 100 foot long metallic

1217
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:02,559
craft hovered about three feet off the

1218
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:06,319
ground near his home last april 11 and

1219
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:09,520
six miniature men aboard

1220
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:11,839
asked him to ride with them

1221
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,040
they were all about four feet high with

1222
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:17,680
white or gray skin

1223
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:21,440
broad flat noses and thin line mouth no

1224
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:23,920
hair and eye sockets that ran back

1225
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:26,480
nearly to their cars he said

1226
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:29,119
mr j ellen heineck an astronomer

1227
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:31,920
professor at northern western university

1228
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,160
and special consultant to the air force

1229
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:36,720
on unidentified flying objects said

1230
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:39,040
pictures mr watts forwarded to him were

1231
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:42,000
quite clear and everyone i've talked to

1232
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:42,800
there

1233
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:45,680
with him gave him a clear bill of health

1234
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:49,839
as far as he is not being a fake

1235
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:50,720
well

1236
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:52,319
i think

1237
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:54,319
we can rule out

1238
00:53:02,270 --> 00:52:58,079
that uh this man in texas rode in a

1239
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,670
[Music]

1240
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:07,430
yes it's always good to revisit the

1241
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:09,440
classics of skepticism

1242
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:13,599
and ufos are amongst the best

1243
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:15,839
and you too can visit the classics of

1244
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:18,000
skepticism or revisit or have a look

1245
00:53:21,790 --> 00:53:19,760
again or whatever you want to do

1246
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:21,800
by going to trove

1247
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:24,319
trove.nla.gov dot a u

1248
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:27,200
typing in your search criteria

1249
00:53:33,540 --> 00:53:29,760
and you never know what ufos you might

1250
00:53:33,550 --> 00:53:49,910
[Music]

1251
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:51,430
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1252
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:53,839
zone and it's not long now until

1253
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,119
skepticon the australian and new zealand

1254
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,280
annual skeptical convention held

1255
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,200
together for the first time

1256
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:03,920
20th and the 21st of november and as the

1257
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:05,920
skeptical fairy and maynard and all the

1258
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:07,599
others reminded us you can get your

1259
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:11,359
tickets at skepticon

1260
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:13,280
for the low price of 40 australian

1261
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:15,280
dollars which is less

1262
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:16,559
than 30

1263
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:17,920
u.s

1264
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,599
adrian hill i don't know what that is in

1265
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:21,599
canadian dollars but it's pretty cheap

1266
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:23,440
whatever it is thank you to those

1267
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:25,040
supporters who keep supporting the show

1268
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:27,119
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1269
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:30,319
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1270
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:31,839
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1271
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:36,640
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1272
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:39,280
that means of course as you well know

1273
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:42,720
the show keeps going so i rely on you

1274
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:46,000
and i appreciate your contributions very

1275
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,280
much

1276
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,200
but for this week this is richard

1277
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:51,280
saunders signing off from sydney

1278
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:58,630
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1279
00:55:01,430 --> 00:55:00,079
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1280
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:01,440
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1281
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:07,750
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1282
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:10,240
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1283
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:12,480
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1284
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,400
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1285
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:17,119
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1286
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1287
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1288
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1289
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:26,880
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1290
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:30,240
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1291
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:31,839
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1292
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,160
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1293
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:36,720
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1294
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:51,750
so we're all seated in our virtual um

1295
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,440
lecture theater as far as i can tell

1296
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:55,440
it's the prediction team

1297
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:58,640
folks we are what two data points away

1298
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:01,119
from completing the entire

1299
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:04,000
prediction project after over a year of

1300
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:05,680
meeting and

1301
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:09,440
um 12 years or so of the database being

1302
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,559
worked on we are two data points away

1303
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:14,559
today we were working on

1304
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:16,640
great events over the last 20 years that

1305
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:20,000
psychics didn't see coming like various

1306
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:22,240
important earthquakes or

1307
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:24,720
uh political assassinations or various

1308
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:26,720
terrorist attacks and things like that

1309
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:28,720
and we have so far

1310
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:30,799
200 208

1311
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:33,280
major pred major events that psychics

1312
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:35,920
did not see coming we've got two to find

1313
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:38,000
and it can be difficult we've discovered

1314
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:39,839
it's difficult to

1315
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,079
you know to nail these down sometime

1316
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,640
anyway i'm with part of the team here

1317
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:46,240
we've got rob we've got leonard we've

1318
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:49,760
got uh adrian and kelly hello everybody

1319
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:51,920
hello richard hello the readings from

1320
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:53,599
the us some of the other people and

1321
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:55,760
canada and canada some of the other

1322
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:57,040
people couldn't be here today but here

1323
00:57:03,270 --> 00:56:59,680
it is folks

1324
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,280
it's a d8 today

1325
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:05,520
an eight-sided die

1326
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:11,510
skeptic's own pen and skeptic's own

1327
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:14,880
notepad i'm just showing everybody

1328
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:17,280
otherwise known as a pen in a notepad

1329
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,799
here we go the first roll what do i hear

1330
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:22,559
lucky seven

1331
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:24,559
six

1332
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:27,520
and here it comes

1333
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:28,880
seven

1334
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:30,480
oh

1335
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:32,799
adrian

1336
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:34,799
first roll was seven next roll coming up

1337
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:36,880
what do i hear

1338
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,000
five

1339
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:40,480
two

1340
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:41,359
three

1341
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,680
kelly wait i heard otherwise your

1342
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:47,760
seventh come in threes

1343
00:57:52,829 --> 00:57:50,490
we'll find out here it comes the next is

1344
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:52,839
[Music]

1345
00:58:01,829 --> 00:58:00,390
okay

1346
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:01,839
last roll

1347
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:03,599
that sounds a bit ominous doesn't it the

1348
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:06,000
last roll of the die here it comes what

1349
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:09,440
do i hear five for susan five five six

1350
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:10,400
four

1351
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:17,660
poetic justice it's a five

1352
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:20,559
[Laughter]

1353
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:24,079
so today's d8 is the equivalent of a

1354
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:26,400
five a seven

1355
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:29,200
uh we can talk about that later today's

1356
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:30,640
winning numbers

1357
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:31,839
are seven

1358
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:32,640
seven

1359
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:35,440
and five thank you everybody

1360
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:38,000
adrian you got two out of three you are

1361
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:39,839
66.

1362
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:41,760
feeding percent psychic

1363
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:43,920
i am

1364
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:45,520
much higher percentage than any of the

1365
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:48,240
psychics we actually evaluated probably

1366
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:49,599
i don't think that's ever happened in

1367
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:53,760
this uh fun dice game all right one more

1368
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:55,520
you've talked me into it so using your

1369
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:57,760
predictions your psychic power one more

1370
00:59:01,990 --> 00:59:00,319
one more quick quick let me just see

1371
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:02,000
i think

1372
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:03,520
yes i'm going back to

1373
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:05,040
eight eight

1374
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:06,880
four four

1375
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:07,839
one

1376
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,200
what is that siri talking to you

1377
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:13,200
that's my watch

1378
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:19,750
here it comes

1379
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:24,230
whoa